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| When you had mentioned the possibility of purchasing an all-in-one nano, I was going to link exactly the one you did. It is a great value especially since it includes a stand. I don't believe there is a protein skimmer on this model, but the nice thing about tanks of this size is that doing weekly water changes can make up for no skimmer. OR I have seen people modify their tanks to add a skimmer. For a fish only system I would just do the water changes. For liverock, most people recommend using around 1/2 up to 2 pounds per gallon of water. So for your ten gallon tank 5-20 pounds of liverock would be needed or if you upgrade to the JBJ nano tank around 12-48 pounds would be used. For your sand, for the 10 gallon I would probably add 10-20 pounds of sand and for the 24 gallon around 20-40 pounds. At this point I really think you could set up the 10 gallon as a saltwater tank, but if you go for the 24 gallon I think you will have an easier time at getting your first tank going. Let us know if any other questions come up and we certainly will try to help out.
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Forgot to commment on the bill me later program. This is new for Marine Depot. Here are the details about Bill Me Later.
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I just want to say thanks to the both of you who have been tremendously helpful. I think i'm going with the Nano tank but have a lot to think about. My mom's not the really into me and my pet hobbies... She's going to complain some but oh well. It's keeping me off the streets.  Thanks again guys, i'll let you know what I decide on doing.
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Something just came to me. Weather I choose the 10 gal or go with the Nano, whats the very first thing I need to do? Say I went to buy some live rock and sand tomorrow, could I just throw that in the tank now? I'm pretty sure I'd need to buy the salt mix and what not, but after I add the salt and water, can I just throw in the live sand and live rock minutes after? And if im setting up the 10 gal tank, I don't need a filter if I am using live rock for a fish only tank, and no protein skimmer as long as I do a water change... Witch brings me to another question, a complete water change or partial water change? Thanks again guys, I know I am getting annoying and im appreciative of your patience.
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| Hey Tony, Nope...not annoying at all. There are a few ways to go about getting the tank up and running initially. I would suggest premixing the saltwater up first (either in the tank or in buckets). Get the salt level correct (between 1.024-1.026) and the temperature stable (around 77-80 degrees). Let this run for a couple of days using a powerhead or something to keep the water moving. Once you have done this add the water to the tank (if not already in there), add the sand and rock (you could actually add the sand and rock first and then add the saltwater if you wanted) and then let the tank run for at least 4 weeks with just the rock and sand. BTW if you start with the water in the tank or add the water before the sand and rock, don't forget that the sand and rock will displace some of the water, so you will need to either start with the water level down some or remove some water before adding the sand and rock. During this first 4 weeks test your ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels. If you get precured rock (see how to cure rock here) you may not see any or just a little rise in ammonia and nitrite. If the rock is uncured or has been shipped to you I would change up what I have already mentioned above. I would not add the sand to the tank yet. During the curing process a lot of detritus falls off the rock. By not having sand in the tank you can siphon out this detritus. Once the tank has cycled you can then add the livesand. As far as filtration goes, if you can get a skimmer I would recommend it. They will help pull out lots of junk from the tank and will help keep a more stable environment for you. AquaC makes a nano skimmer that would work out well. There are a few others that would work ok also such as the CurrentUSA Fission (hangs inside the tank though) or the TAAM Rio Nano Skimmer (ok skimmer, you get what you pay for here). If you have a hang on the back filter you certainly could also use that to help with mechanical filtration (catching particles) and chemical filtration (carbon to help with odors and discoloration). Hopefully that all makes sense, but if not let me know.
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Forgot about the water change thing...partial water changes, 20-30% weekly with no skimmer or 20-30% every other week with skimmer.
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| This just came to me while reading the info for the nano tank. "Discreetly hidden with a newly redesigned filter for better surface skimming" That's not a protein skimmer right?
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Honestly, I want to say thank you again, and I know I say it a lot, I just want to let you know im very thankful and appreciative that you're taking the time to break this all down for me. If I were anywhere else, they'd tell me to get a book or read this and that. You guys aren't like that, and its great. You said if I had HOBF that would be good and what not, would I need to add anything special to it? Or just use it as it is with regular refills that I use for my freshwater tanks.
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| Right..it is not protein skimming. Protein skimming (or foam fractionation) is the mixing of small bubbles with the water. The proteins and other dissolved organics are attracted to the bubbles, stick to them and then float to the surface with the bubbles and get collected in a collection cup. A surface skimmer just helps remove the surface layer of water in a tank (or keeps it moving) to help prevent the build up of dust and such on the surface of the water. The surface skimmer doesn't physically remove the particles but helps move them into a filter system that hopefully will remove them. Hopefully that makes sense, LOL.
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