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Someone came up to me while you were busy talking to other attendees at the meeting last weekend. The question was since mono-specific cultures are so important in commercial production, would that preclude housing orange, rose, and green bubble tips all together? And on a related wider note, should one strive for genetically identical animals so as to minimize chemical warfare? I didn't know the answer and I am not sure he got to you.
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I believe Anthony said they do need to be clones and that mixing another anemone even if it is the same species is not recommended. I also read this about corals some time ago on WWM.
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quite true... same "color" only and even then, its better by far to work only with clones of the same species. Not all corals are isogenic. Not all will tolerate their own species... on the contrary, many will not.
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Anthony Calfo (12/5/2006)
quite true... same "color" only and even then, its better by far to work only with clones of the same species. Not all corals are isogenic. Not all will tolerate their own species... on the contrary, many will not.
So, along those lines, would keeping different color bta's in the same tank but segregated in baskets cause "chemical warfare?" Or is it a matter of physical encroachment to compete for light/flow/food?
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it is chemical... and it is a (big) problem. Huge problem for farming them (productivity)
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I guess what is said is that not only that the color has to be the same, but all occupants should be from the same clone. That will really take awhile to build the stocking up.
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That will really take awhile to build the stocking up. nope... gotta do the math. For "frag size" (small) clones that are so popular [in this case 3-4" anemones) the cycle of harvest for well-fed specimens is 2 weeks. But lets say you only split your anemones once monthly: January - 1 anemone February - 2 March - 4 April - 8 May - 16 June - 32 July - 64 August - 128 September - 256 October - 512 November - 1024 December - 2048 anemones 2K anemones at just one split monthly after just one year... and thats conservative. So lets say you only meet 25% of the potential harvest (1000 anemones in one year)... and that for the 13th month, you do not propagate all 1000 (splitting) but rather only do 20% of your colony (200). As such... you harvest only 200 pieces per month starting the 14th month. At a value of say just $20 each... that translates to over $40K per year in sales. The numbers do not lie. I was neting over 100K by my third year of the greenhouse and most of thse sales were just from 2 species of Xenia. The gross was a good margin as Xenia are low cost ot produce... just like anemones  My friends.... please do not believe the doomsayers and negative nancys that give advice without ever having actually farmed corals commercially. I have. Many others too. And all over the world. Very few of these folks are mentally masterbating online about acros and acans and zoos or trying to talk you out of coral farming 
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| "doomsayers and negative nancys " LOL! My husband and I use these same terms except we say negative nellies. We apply it to people in so many instances. So many folks see the glass half empty in general but life is so wonderful. It's what you make of it. I like the old Nike slogan "Just do it."
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| Anthony, I have two wild caught (wont go this way in the future for broodstock) RBTA's in the same tank feeding and getting healthy in preperation for propagation. They have done fine and grown dramatically co-habitating for the last 2 months. If they tolerate each other now, do you think they would be fine to propagate in the same tub or do I still need to seperate them? Thanks
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Anthony Calfo (12/5/2006)
[quote]That will really take awhile to build the stocking up.
nope... gotta do the math. For "frag size" (small) clones that are so popular [in this case 3-4" anemones) the cycle of harvest for well-fed specimens is 2 weeks. But lets say you only split your anemones once monthly:
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Yes, you must do the math (or, at least, I must: seeing it on paper or in my case, a spreadsheet really helps). Right now I have 6 rbta's and 2 gbta's. The start to building up stock has been slow for conditioning purposes. I got the rbta clone in early June this year. Split it the first time in late August (as I mentioned in your frag demo at MACNA ) and by the end of September it was ready to cut again. I am going the conservative route on my cutting schedule as the first time I cut at only two weeks I lost two clones, thus the 6 rbta's instead of 8 now. I got the gbta in August and cut it the first time the end of November (t'giving weekend, poor 'nem not only got no turkey dinner but got chopped )
However, even staying with the once-monthly schedule, by the end of May next year I'll have 200+ of rbta's and a good start on gbta's. That makes it almost an entire year of labor-intensive upkeep. But the process is as much a reward as the eventual income, to me.
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