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Killerwhale (8/22/2006)

Kelly, I have a batch of green chromis in QT and suspect bacterial infection is a problem.I found another thread of yours that matches the symptoms. I had 7 but lost 2 almost immediately. The other 5 have been eating like pigs for about a week. I am taking salinity down slow and is at 1013.This morning they all ate well again but after eating 1 went and sat on the bottom away from everyone else.(It is not being picked on) It looks perfect but may be breathing a bit fast but it is hard for me to tell. Green chromis always seem to breath fast to me. The food is enriched with every thing you recommend. Even though one fish does have a spot on its side I have been avoiding treatment because everybody is still active and eating. I have marycin 2.

Since 2 died and one has a spot - I would definitely treat the one with the lesion. It needs to be segregated or moved to another tank as fish with wounds will often be picked on by other fish. The "weakest" link will be viewed as some thing to be picked on....the wound will be picked on and will get worse.

Now my question is per the above post.The directions say treat the tank for 5 days.If your recomendation is to feed the med how do you measure amount to give.and how long do you feed?

Maracyn 2 can be absorbed through the wound and can also be "ingested" by swallowing the water with the medication. I would probably dilute a tablet in a small amount of water. I would then soak a small amount of food in a small amount of the diluted med. I would add the rest to the hospital tank or bath water.

[quote] Does the med last for a few days if soaked in food or does it need to be mixed with every feeding?

It is best to mix/dilute the med daily as many antibiotics will degrade/loss effectiveness when exposed to air/water.

If the fish is not eating and you give it a separate bath, how potent do you make the bath and do you do this every day for the recommended treatment period?(5 days)

If the fish is not eating, you can add it to a separate hospital tank or administer via bath - I recommend adding one tablet per one gallon and aerate well. Let the fish stay in the medicated bath for one hour.

Since I have lost 2 would you just assume the rest need to be treated even though they are active and eating?

I would treat the "infected" fish only at this point. The others may be stronger and have stronger immune systems to have fought off the pathogen. Treating fish that are not sick can lead to the development of drug resistant strains of bacteria. I would make sure the water parameters are kept pristine and the "uninfected" chromis are given a good variety of nutritional food enriched with vitamins, HUFA and beta glucan.

Please keep us updated.

Best of luck.

Kelly

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chefthomasr	Posted 8/18/2006 11:56:38 AM
Group: Forum Members Last Active: 2/9/2007 9:37:35 AM Posts: 10, Visits: 80 36	Kelly, We luckily do not nor have any ailing fish. But I have been thinking it would be a good idea to have medicines on hand in case. The LFS near us don't carry a lot of variety and ordering drygoods online can sometimes take awhile. So I was wondering what we should have in our "medicine cabinet?" Beta Glucan, Formalin, Neomycin, Praziquantel, Copper, Lugol's? If you have posted this elsewhere please forgive me but direct me to the right thread. Thank you in advance. Jenny ===================================================================== 135gallon reef w/ 55gallon refugium, 65gallon anemone tank, 55gallon fowlr w/ 30gallon fuge "Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do." -Goethe
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*Puffer Queen*	Posted 8/18/2006 12:33:56 PM
Group: Moderators Last Active: 5/14/2012 8:17:20 PM Posts: 4,942, Visits: 7,455 8,392	Jenny, Welcome to this forum! Great post. For dewormers: praziquantel, fenbendazole (panacur), piperazine (in that order of preference) For external parasites: Formalin, copper - cupramine, methylene blue (good to use with freshwater dips). For antibiotics: Nitrofurans, kanamycn, minocycline (maracyn-2), neomycin Other helpful agents: Beta glucan, MS 222 (fish anesthetic), garlic Make sure you keep track of expiration dates and keep them in a cool dry place. What are you going to treat with lugol's? Again, welcome! *Kelly*
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chefthomasr	Posted 8/18/2006 5:32:53 PM
Group: Forum Members Last Active: 2/9/2007 9:37:35 AM Posts: 10, Visits: 80 36	Thanks! Lugol's is for the corals . I've actually never medicated a fish before...I rarely take meds myself so I feel a little weird about giving them to other animals. But when they need them they need them. The proper instructions are on the bottles yes? And when we are talking about dips? 15-30 minutes is that appropriate? Thank you for your help! Jenny ===================================================================== 135gallon reef w/ 55gallon refugium, 65gallon anemone tank, 55gallon fowlr w/ 30gallon fuge "Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do." -Goethe
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*Puffer Queen*	Posted 8/18/2006 5:45:05 PM
Group: Moderators Last Active: 5/14/2012 8:17:20 PM Posts: 4,942, Visits: 7,455 8,392	Jenny, Thanks for the clarification. For freshwater dips 15 - 30 minutes. Formalin dips 30 - 60 minutes. Antibiotic baths - 60 minutes. I prefer giving antibiotics via the oral route - food. Sometimes if the fish isn't eating, then administering via tank water is the next option. I prefer giving medications via baths in a separate well aerated container over administering to the hospital tank. If administering via hospital tank - make sure it is a bare bottom tank without carbon, skimmer or UV sterilizer as these will remove or destroy the chemical properties. Directions should accompany the medications. If not, there should be a concentration or strength on the container. There are proper dosages for fish. If your's does not come with instructions, please post & we can figure out dosing for you (your fish). Thanks for sharing and hats off to your good husbandry skills! *Kelly*
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chefthomasr	Posted 8/18/2006 6:12:01 PM
Group: Forum Members Last Active: 2/9/2007 9:37:35 AM Posts: 10, Visits: 80 36	Kelly, Thank you so much for your speedy reply! And of course for the info! I appreciate the complement. I'm on your forum a lot but I rarely post - always trying to learn. Jenny ===================================================================== 135gallon reef w/ 55gallon refugium, 65gallon anemone tank, 55gallon fowlr w/ 30gallon fuge "Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do." -Goethe
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MontiMan	Posted 8/19/2006 9:07:37 PM
Group: Forum Members Last Active: 11/3/2007 8:59:57 PM Posts: 36, Visits: 284 56	Very good thread. Where would you get some of these medicines? I have never seen praziquantel, fenbendazole (panacur), or piperazine. I have all of the other medications listed in my medicine cabinet, but I have nothing for a dewormer.
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*Steven Pro*	Posted 8/21/2006 4:04:12 AM
Group: Moderators Last Active: 2/9/2012 11:54:53 PM Posts: 2,259, Visits: 6,423 4,625	MontiMan (8/19/2006) Very good thread. Where would you get some of these medicines? I have never seen praziquantel, fenbendazole (panacur), or piperazine. I have all of the other medications listed in my medicine cabinet, but I have nothing for a dewormer. Hikari makes a product called Prazi-Pro in which the active ingredient is Praziquantel. And, I know I have seen Piperzine for sale at a number of LFS's by that very name. Steven Pro, yeah that is my real name.
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*Puffer Queen*	Posted 8/21/2006 4:50:59 AM
Group: Moderators Last Active: 5/14/2012 8:17:20 PM Posts: 4,942, Visits: 7,455 8,392	Jungle makes a medicated food - "anti-parasitic" that contains praziquantel, metronidazole, and levamisole. Gel-Tek makes a product called Ultra Cure PX: metronidazole, flubenol and praziquantel. (states contains fish pheromones which enhances feeding behavior). *Kelly*
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Killerwhale	Posted 8/22/2006 6:24:33 AM
Group: Forum Members Last Active: 3/2/2010 5:41:25 AM Posts: 30, Visits: 75 72	Kelly, I have a batch of green chromis in QT and suspect bacterial infection is a problem.I found another thread of yours that matches the symptoms. I had 7 but lost 2 almost immediately. The other 5 have been eating like pigs for about a week. I am taking salinity down slow and is at 1013.This morning they all ate well again but after eating 1 went and sat on the bottom away from everyone else.(It is not being picked on) It looks perfect but may be breathing a bit fast but it is hard for me to tell. Green chromis always seem to breath fast to me. The food is enriched with every thing you recomend. Even though one fish does have a spot on its side I have been avoiding treatment because everybody is still active and eating. I have marycin 2.Now my question is per the above post.The directions say treat the tank for 5 days.If your recomendation is to feed the med how do you measure amount to give.and how long do you feed? Does the med last for a few days if soaked in food or does it need to be mixed with every feeding? If the fish is not eating and you give it a seperate bath, how potent do you make the bath and do you do this every day for the recomended treatment period?(5 days) Since I have lost 2 would you just assume the rest need to be treated even though they are active and eating?
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*Puffer Queen*	Posted 8/22/2006 10:40:45 AM
Group: Moderators Last Active: 5/14/2012 8:17:20 PM Posts: 4,942, Visits: 7,455 8,392	Killerwhale, Welcome to this forum!! Killerwhale (8/22/2006) Kelly, I have a batch of green chromis in QT and suspect bacterial infection is a problem.I found another thread of yours that matches the symptoms. I had 7 but lost 2 almost immediately. The other 5 have been eating like pigs for about a week. I am taking salinity down slow and is at 1013.This morning they all ate well again but after eating 1 went and sat on the bottom away from everyone else.(It is not being picked on) It looks perfect but may be breathing a bit fast but it is hard for me to tell. Green chromis always seem to breath fast to me. The food is enriched with every thing you recommend. Even though one fish does have a spot on its side I have been avoiding treatment because everybody is still active and eating. I have marycin 2. Since 2 died and one has a spot - I would definitely treat the one with the lesion. It needs to be segregated or moved to another tank as fish with wounds will often be picked on by other fish. The "weakest" link will be viewed as some thing to be picked on....the wound will be picked on and will get worse. Now my question is per the above post.The directions say treat the tank for 5 days.If your recomendation is to feed the med how do you measure amount to give.and how long do you feed? Maracyn 2 can be absorbed through the wound and can also be "ingested" by swallowing the water with the medication. I would probably dilute a tablet in a small amount of water. I would then soak a small amount of food in a small amount of the diluted med. I would add the rest to the hospital tank or bath water. [quote] Does the med last for a few days if soaked in food or does it need to be mixed with every feeding? It is best to mix/dilute the med daily as many antibiotics will degrade/loss effectiveness when exposed to air/water. If the fish is not eating and you give it a separate bath, how potent do you make the bath and do you do this every day for the recommended treatment period?(5 days) If the fish is not eating, you can add it to a separate hospital tank or administer via bath - I recommend adding one tablet per one gallon and aerate well. Let the fish stay in the medicated bath for one hour. Since I have lost 2 would you just assume the rest need to be treated even though they are active and eating? I would treat the "infected" fish only at this point. The others may be stronger and have stronger immune systems to have fought off the pathogen. Treating fish that are not sick can lead to the development of drug resistant strains of bacteria. I would make sure the water parameters are kept pristine and the "uninfected" chromis are given a good variety of nutritional food enriched with vitamins, HUFA and beta glucan. Please keep us updated. Best of luck. *Kelly*
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