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Posted 7/9/2006 5:11:26 PM
 

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Great article Eric,
I am amazed at the claims made for some products in our hobby. The "food supplements" trade is really rich in material like that too. I saved an old letter I got, not sure quite how I got on their mailing list but it made me laugh until I choked.

Eric, have you evolved to a 12-strand DNA yet?

This is some of the wonder water they sell:
http://www.gematria.com/products_display.asp?cat_id=17
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Posted 7/9/2006 7:09:30 PM
 

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Wow, my Bio book must be really outdated.

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Posted 7/9/2006 9:53:33 PM
 

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At least they're not selling their water to reefers. A Google search on 12 strand DNA healing is quite enlightening.
I wonder how long before we see new-age aquariums with little pyramids and crystals in them.
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Posted 7/10/2006 7:38:02 AM
 

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Not in my house.


BTW, talking about aquarium products, what do you all think about the claim that aloe vera (often in water conditioners) helps restore fish's "slime" coat and heal damaged tissue?

http://www.aquatichouse.com/Water%20Conditioners/StressCoat.asp
http://freepatentsonline.com/4500510.html



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Posted 7/10/2006 2:04:55 PM
 

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I'm not a fan of using aloe vera, garlic or any other land veggies in my marine tank.  It's amazing how people will pay insane prices for stuff with no proven benefit or even list of ingredients. It gets my 24 strands of DNA all activated!  I'm an Indigo, ya know.
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Posted 7/10/2006 3:09:59 PM


 

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at best, those slime coat kaka products will coat a fish for a few hours at best-the fish will begin to push it off the skin almost immediately, and NO ONE has yet shown for there to be any benefit or positive effect (no study has even been done to prove that the slime additive even sticks to the fish's skin to begin with, hehe).

they do a great job of breaking down into phosphates and other related organic waste compounds though.

the only conditioner needed for tap water, salt water that should be used is rodi  and if something HAS to be used for a 'typical' FW change, simple sodium thiosulfate will do, for chlorine rmoval.

TANSTAAFL!!!

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Posted 7/13/2006 6:33:13 AM


 

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I use fresh pieces of aloe vera from my garden when I burn myself on something. I also have aloe vera in many of my hair/skin products but I am not assured in any way that their incorporation does anything. In fish tanks.....as far as I know as mentioned are completely unsubstantiated. No reason I can think of that it would increase a slime coat since they are produced by mucosecretory cells of the epidermis and I am not sure there is evidence that consumption of, rubbing onto, or bathing in aloe vera, even 100% aloe vera, increases mucus production (though I have not done a literature search) - and if it does, maybe by stress? - and is there evidence that the mucuseretory cells are not functioning optimally in the fish in the first place? Mucus secretion should be more or less "on demand" in vertebrates and many invertebrates. For example, we produce more mucus in our upper respiratory tract when there are irritating particles present, but slow down mucus production if there aren't. Sometimes, pathogens affect mucus production. But, vitz is right, and I see no logical reason it should affect or "maintain" mucus coats of fish or anything else in a beneficial way even in theory, except it is probably attractive as a marketing tool since both mucus and aloe are "slimy"

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Posted 7/13/2006 5:24:05 PM
 

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Where does one get "simple sodium thiosulfate"?
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Posted 7/13/2006 5:54:10 PM


 

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I forgot to comment on that...sodium thiosulfate is a potent oxygen scavenger and chelates calcium, so care is warranted even though it is a standard for dechlorination.

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