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Hello,
I have just discovered this forum after searching tirelessly on the 'Net for a positive ID on what looks to be a bacterial, or fungal, infection on my Premnas clown. As you will see the infection is on and between his pectoral fins with one fin, his left fin, almost gone. I think, although I am not sure, he bashed himself on a rock some time recently. None of the other fish are effected.
Here are the pics:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e83/Krylexian/P5080039.jpg
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I have spoken with my local Vetinarians, who are not fish experts, and they have prescribed Oxytetracycline.
Can you help please? I have the fish in a hospital tank ready for treatment.
Thanks in advance,
Campbell
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| Campbell, Welcome to MarineDepot.com and this forum. Thanks for posting pics - hard to tell from the quality though. It does appear that the area between the pelvic fins is affected as well as the base of the one pelvic fin. Is this area white, red, pink? Is the area swollen? Is the area sunken, ulcerated (like a crater) or look as skin is missing? Is the area fuzzy or cotton like appearance ? Is the are with pimples or pustules? The clown is in a hospital tank - what else is in the tank - fish, algae, inverts, etc? What size is the hospital tank and what type of filtration? How long have you had this fish? What were its tank mates before being placed in the hospital tank? How long has this area been affected? Is the fish still eating - what ? Oxytetracycline is affected by light - degrades the antibiotic. Many bacteria are resistant or develop resistance to this antibiotic so if after a few days if it is not getting better or if during treatment, there seems to be a turn for the worse or worsening, a different antibiotic is in order. I prefer nitrofurazone (this would be the first choice for your fish but only in a bare bottom tank with not inverts, algae, etc), kanamycin and minocycline (mardel's maracyn-2). Please update. Best of luck.
Kelly
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Hi Kelly,
Thanks for the warm welcome.
Where to start, so many questions. 
Firstly, my apologies for the quality, I thought I was getting better with the camera, obviously not. Add to that the fish is always moving.
Secondly, the hospital tank is empty. It has a heater, small Eheim Compact for flow, pump and air stone. No filtration. Since there would be antibiotics in there I didn't want to compound te problem with ammonia from filter bacteria die-off. So I am using API's AmmoLock and have mixed more than enough water for daily 50% water changes for the next 7 days.
This is a whiteish fluffy, cotton, almost bubbly looking affliction and looks like his skin has scraped off.
I have had the fish for anout 8 weeks now and his tank mates are Reef Chromis, Chalk Bass, Firefish, Scooter Blenny and a tiny Yellow Tailed Blue Damsel. It always peaceful excpet when the Chromis have a breif bickering spell with each other. I've never seen any aggression towards the Premnas.
I am not sure how long this has been but it's a few days at least.
He's been in the HT just one day now, my Vet had to order the Oxytetracycline, which should arrive today. However, I did treat him with Waterlife's Myxazin, which I believe is a broad anti bacterial remedy used for fungus and whitespot(?), among other things, and he looks a little better the morning. The disease doesn't look so puffy today. At least he is almost breathing normally now. He is still feeding and I fed him a tiny amount of Ocean Nutrition Prime Reef and about 4 brine shrimp, the frozen kind, both were soaked overnight in Kent Zoe. I've syphoned out the pieces he left over.
Would I get Nitrofurazone from my Vet, does it go by any other name? Oh. I am in Scotland by the way, so medicines will probably be named differenlty here.
Would you know if the API AmmoLock is safe to use with antibiotics? I have emailed API but am still waiting for a reply.
Many thanks for your help so far,
Campbell
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| Campbell, Since you started treatment with the myazin, I would continue to use it for at least 7 days unless the fish takes a turn for the worse. If you change medications at this point, you will not know what medication helped the fish and the possibility of the bacteria developing medication resistance is higher. I have done a "mini" search & can not find the active ingredients in myazin - is it listed on the bottle? I have a feeling it is in the tetracycline ?? Here is a link for many antibiotics/manufacturer:
http://www.malawicichlidhomepage.com/aquainfo/disease_8.html Ammolock is okay to use with antibiotics, the problem occurs when you try to test the water for ammonia, etc - it interfers with test kits and will give you an inaccurate reading. I prefer large daily changes versus adding more products to the tank. Keep us updated.
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Hi Kelly,
I believe the active ingredient in Myxazin in Formaldehyde though I am not sure. It's a green liquid anyway, if that tell you anything.
Good news is that he's still alive and the infection seem to be receeding, which is great after one day. The bad news, for me anyway, is that I have a pic of him just after he went in to the tank a few weeks ago and to be honest I almost cried when I see the extent of the damage. I can't for the life of me say how I never noticed this before Sunday night, I am really, really cursing myself right now.
The Vet still hasn't delivered the antibiotic, she says she need to work out a dosage so I had to weigh the fish tonight. When she asked me on the phone how much he weighs, I could not do anything but smile, it's something that you never really consider isn't it?
Thanks for the help so far, I will keep you updated on progress.
Regards,
Campbell
P.S By the way, he weighs 8 grams (0.28 oz), which is just inder a quarter the weight of a tub of Prime Reef.
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I think it is great you have a vet that is supporting you!
Don't count your gobies before they've metamorphosized.
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I think it is great you have a vet that is supporting you!
Hi,
Although the Vet isn't a fish expert I do welcome her efforts.
So a quick update, I am really relieved and somewhat surprised to see that the fluffyness/bubblyness has almost all gone now. I can see from his reflection on the bottom glass that it has been some kind of wound or abrasion about mid way between his gills and the pelvic fin joints, sorry I misnamed them as pectoral fins earlier, it looks like his scales/skin has been rubbed away in that area.
Still I think, I hope he's on the mend even though he looks to be in a bit of a huff right now.
Campbell
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| From the sounds of it, the fish seems to have a good chance now, thanks to your efforts. Please keep us all updated on the treatment and how the fish does. Chuck
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| Campbell, Thanks for the update. Make sure you complete the current treatment as discussed earlier. Also it is a good idea to enrich the food with selcon (hufa enriched vitamins), vitamins and beta glucan. All will help with healing and improve the immune system. Monitor the water parameters carefully in the hospital tank, as poor water parameters will affect healing/the immune system. The ammo lock may affect test kits, so daily large water changes may be in order. Again, thanks for sharing. Hopefully your little fish is on the way to recovery.
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Hi Kelly, I have forsaken the Ammo-Lock in favour of the water changes as you suggested.
However, this seems to be a rapidly changing problem which has taken a new turn.
This morning I noticed small bits of what looked like skin or mucus coming off him around the top of his head. Tonight I had a much closer look under a 4x magnifier. It's tricky as he's taken up residence at the side of the tank nearest the wall but I managed to get some pics, out of about 50 these were the best.
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e83/Krylexian/P5100004.jpg
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http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e83/Krylexian/P5100013.jpg
You'll see these whitish nodules coming off his head. On closer inspection there's little black dots at the end if these nodules. I am think it may be Brookynella or some kind of fluke. Their sudden appearance has shocked me.
I am still dosing Myxazin and although he's a bit listless he is still feeding, breathing rate is up slightly from yesterday. I was tempted to change to copper but if it's Brook then that won't help but the Formaldahyde/Formalin in the Myxazin hopefully will.
I am am almost at my wits end, how can things like this happen and change so qucikly?
I've quickly checked the other fish and they are not showing signs of disease. It's lights out at the moment but I will try to give each one a much closer examination tomorrow.
Any idea what these nodules things could be?
Thanks,
Campbell
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