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RE: Tassled Filefish

Puffer Queen — Sat, 28 Apr 2007 22:07:09 GMT

Thanks for the update and sharing your observations - very helpful!

RE: Tassled Filefish

Volitanlioness — Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:41:18 GMT

Just a quick update......

It is still there but much smaller than it was, I have been watching this fish eat, it does Not chew and spit, it chews slightly and swallows. You know I always assumed (which I should not in this hobby) that filefish Chew and Spit their foods. All foods will be in small chunks from here on out.

Kaye

RE: Tassled Filefish

Volitanlioness — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:21:43 GMT

LOL.... You got a point!

RE: Tassled Filefish

Puffer Queen — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:15:25 GMT

I have never fed broccoli but I have a feeling it would be classified under "unnatural" as I have never seen it in the ocean when diving

RE: Tassled Filefish

Volitanlioness — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:54:21 GMT

broclli is really broccoli ..... lol

Kaye

RE: Tassled Filefish

Volitanlioness — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:50:44 GMT

Hello again Kelly, My mom stopped over for dinner, she was at the hospital with a friend that was having hip surgery today.

Here is when the file was passing the peas

After the peas passed, there were 3 halves, so he did not chew them. But they are the first and only thing I have seen pass through.

Here it is right now

I did not notice any gas, I did not realize peas may be harmful, so does this apply to broclli as well?

Kaye

RE: Tassled Filefish

Puffer Queen — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:21:20 GMT

Hmm.....passing feces so not blocked.

Any gas passed with the peas?

RE: Tassled Filefish

Volitanlioness — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:10:51 GMT

The file ate peas this morning, that is the first time in quite a while I have fed peas, but when I thought this through, I fed the peas after the lump because I thought blockage.

It has passed 3 of them now and the lump is going down some, I will up date with pictures soon.

kaye

RE: Tassled Filefish

Puffer Queen — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:48:54 GMT

Upon looking even closer at the pics - it appears that there may be some air or gas in that swelling?

I have a couple puffers that can not eat peas as within 12 hours of eating them, they become buoyant and struggle to swim. When placed in a weighted critter box on the bottom, they will pass the peas and flatus/gas after about another 6 - 18 hours and return to "normal".

Is the file having any problems with buoyancy? How long ago did it eat peas?

RE: Tassled Filefish

Puffer Queen — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:45:05 GMT

Kaye,

Thanks for sharing the pics - they are helpful.

Does appear to look like a pea....many marine biologist friends have told me not to feed non-natural foods to marine fish - so maybe this is why. Whenever I asked why - they would only say it is not natural..........

If you had a fish anesthetic (MS-222 or clove oil), you could try some and possibly inserting a small angiocath (24 gauge) well lubricated into the anus/rectum to see if there was a blockage at the internal sphincter.....also by relaxing the fish, there could be a possibility of the fish relaxing enough to pass the "mass". I am wondering if the matter has caused a twisting of the intestines?

Please do keep us updated - best of luck.

RE: Tassled Filefish

Volitanlioness — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:54:50 GMT

Updates may go fast on this one, It is twice the size right now, it looks like it is trying to pass a Pea? Could it be fresh frozen peas thawed doing this? I do remove the skin from my peas before feeding.

Kaye

RE: Tassled Filefish

Volitanlioness — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:20:13 GMT

Kelly, Thank You for the quick reply. I just started him on Antibiotics, I am going to try Lifeguard, it is for Bacterial, Fungal, Viral and Parasitic, I have used it twice now successfully on bacterial infections.

I will also try "cod liver oil laced food", it is worth a shot right now. I find it strange to experience this twice now with the same species. I will keep you updated and let you know.

Hope your feel better and your luck changes soon.

Kaye

RE: Tassled Filefish

Puffer Queen — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:33:21 GMT

Kaye,

Sorry to hear of the passing of your furry companion and your health issues. Believe me, I have been having the same kind of luck.

Might try an epsom salt bath...or perhaps cod liver oil laced food....I would be afraid to massage too aggressively in fear that if what is blocked has sharp 'edges'. Also could damage the epithelial skin layer.

Any chance this could be bacterial infection? Might be worth administering antibiotics as an outside possibility.

I have seen prolapsing of the rectum/colon in puffers before and it was associated in the two cases with mycobacterium.

Again, sorry but I am glad you are back.

Please keep us posted and best of luck.

Tassled Filefish

Volitanlioness — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:16:03 GMT

Hello Kelly, it has been a while since I have been here, last time I was here one of my bulldogs started having conjestive heart failure, I had to do everything for her to get around, she has since passed.

Than I broke my elbow and shoulder, and could not type, goofing around with my sister. I used to say "see were not to old to act like kids" but I proved myself wrong ...lol

My Tassled Filefish is in trouble, it has developed a lump in the anal area, these are about the best Picture I can get right now.

I had a Tassled filefish for years, that developed this same lump, it took about 24 hours for the internal organs to fall out of him. I feel like deJa Vu all over again, because here I go again with this next one. I do not know the cause, a blockage of some type? To large a piece of meaty food?

The other one ate a piece of meaty food that was to large for him, the next morning his internal organs were completely out of him, he was still alive and swimming, I had to put him down.

I feed a variety of meaty foods and green, Raw Shrimp, Crab, Mahi Mahi, Shark Steaks, Ocean Perch, Squid, Octo, Flounder, Red Snapper, Frozen Sand Eels, Mussels and Scallops. My greens consist of Nori and Fresh frozen Peas Thawed.

I have had this one about 1 1/2 years and the other was 5 years with me, the whole reason I set up a 300g tank, I just do not understand, why this species?

This file still wants to eat, I gave some Nori today but am not risking meaty foods. I moved the fish over to my 90g quarantine using a bucket, I avoid nets at all cost.

Kelly, though I am probably going to lose him, I am at a loss and probably have no longer than tomorrow with this fish in this situation. I am just trying to understand the cause.

Anything you have seen before?

Can I massage it back up?

Kaye